The Antithesis of EmoYouth are being taught to turn to their feelings over their minds, a move that will only produce adults who make bad choices based on how they feel. Feelings change, logic does not. Emotions are contingent, reason is not. Emotions have replaced the moral compass and rational mind as the cornerstone of decision making so much that there is even a word for such behavior... "Emo"... That's scary.
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Thursday, August 25, 2005

I'm still doing intellectual battle in the field...

Here's my most recent encounter...

  • They: well see i dont think when someone doesnt really say the truth
  • They: hmm i dont know how to word this
  • They: theres different levels to lieing
  • They: you know what i mean
  • We: no i think that's a morally lazy way to look at it
  • We: either somethign is a lie, or it's not
  • We: there aren't levels
  • They: well levels maybe wasnt the right word
  • They: its just different when the lie doesnt have an effect on anything
  • We: so you're saying lying is only wrong if it has a clear effect?
  • We: i woudl say that all lies have an effect
  • They: if mean if someone doesnt want to come out of the closet he doesnt have to tell you the truth...right?
  • We: but i don't think that the wrongness of lying is dependant on the consequence
  • We: if i ask if he is gay?
  • They: yeah
  • We: no, i don't think it's okay to lie there
  • We: i don't think lying is okay
  • We: i simply think lying is wrong
  • They: ok how bout this situation
  • They: a very close family member of mine was kill in a car accident like 4 months ago
  • They: i was at my parents
  • They: and my sister was alone at her place and it was very early in the morning
  • They: my mother called her very shook up and crying
  • They: and told her to come home cause we need to be together...whatever
  • They: she asked if there was a death
  • They: my mother said no
  • They: but she didnt want to say yes for the safty of my sister driving over
  • They: she lied
  • We: it was wrong
  • We: lying is wrong, period
  • We: so your view of actions
  • We: is that their rightness/wrongness is determined by their consequence?
  • They: my sister couldnt be alone
  • We: or are you just saying lying only
  • We: is determined by consequence
  • We: do you see what i'm asking
  • They: yeah i do
  • They: and yeah i believe that if the negative consequences outnumber the positive ones when someone lies...then that is totally wrong
  • We: but what about other actions
  • They: but when the positive consequences outnumber the negative because of the lie...then its ok
  • We: do you judge their rightness/wrongness by their consequence?
  • They: i guess i do
  • We: okay,
  • We: so if a father drugs his child
  • We: so they can't remember things
  • We: and then rapes them
  • We: the child never knows
  • We: nobody ever finds out
  • We: since there's no consequence, it's okay
  • We: right?
  • They: ha no...i think those are consequences to that
  • They: there are^
  • We: k what's the consequence
  • They: not those
  • We: since she didn't know, and nobody found out
  • We: how does it harm anyone
  • They: mentally
  • We: no physical or emotional damage, so tell me what makes it wrong
  • We: mentally to who
  • They: actually we arent talkin about lieing
  • We: yes, and this is applicable
  • We: you're saying morality of action is determined by consequence
  • They: because if nobody knew...and the child didnt know...there there couldnt be a discussion about it or questions asked
  • We: correct, no consequence
  • We: so i'm asking you
  • We: under what you're saying
  • We: you have to say that it's okay
  • We: but you don't want to say its okay, so obviously youy dont' really believe in morality determined by consequence
  • We: that's my point
  • They: well you made an extreme example
  • We: moral principles must hold under all examples
  • They: that isnt ok
  • They: but we arnt talkin about lieing anymore
  • We: because the concept of "extreme" is subjective
  • We: yes, we are , i just substituted a different action, rape, for lying
  • We: you said all moral actions are dtermined by consequnce
  • We: whether they're right or wrong
  • They: yeah but rape is hurting someone
  • They: its wrong
  • They: if lying doesnt hurt anyone then its ok
  • We: again you're saying consequence
  • We: in that case, the girl wasn't hurt
  • We: the dad wasn't hurt
  • We: she will never know
  • We: so it didn't hurt anyone
  • They: i dont think thats possible
  • We: but it is
  • We: you can drug people so that they wouldn't remember things
  • They: but physically
  • They: i mean a girl knows when shes had se
  • We: no,
  • We: this girl let's say
  • We: is 15
  • We: and already has consensual sex with her boyfriend
  • We: so there's no physical damage
  • We: and she doesn't know
  • They: ok then yes i guess that is possible
  • We: this is my point, a theory of morality based on consequence is flawed
  • We: morals have to be determined by something other than consequence
  • We: as for lies,
  • They: yes it is flawed
  • We: telling a lie reduces your future creditbility
  • We: misleads and decieves people
  • They: but now since when do morals have to be determined by anything at all
  • They: arent they personal beliefs
  • We: lol
  • We: no
  • We: do you believe
  • We: that morality is a personal issue
  • We: that you can't tell someone when they are right or wrong morally?
  • They: well yeah because everyone believes in different morals
  • They: right
  • We: oh
  • They: i mean some of us believe in the same things
  • We: so you dont believe in the criminal justice system
  • They: but you understand
  • They: yes
  • We: so when i commit a crime
  • We: since i think it's okay
  • We: then they can't punish me for it
  • We: since they aren't allowed to judge the morality of my actions
  • They: you lost me now
  • We: that's what you think?
  • We: you said that moral issues are private
  • We: they are personal issues
  • We: as in personal opinion
  • They: ok yes
  • We: and that one person can't judge another person's moraltiy
  • We: okay so
  • We: that means you dont support the criminal justice system
  • We: because when i commit a crime, the judge, under your beliefs
  • They: but i do
  • We: well then you dont' really believe that then
  • We: because that shows you have a conflict in your belief system
  • They: i dont understand
  • We: * sigh *
  • We: you said that morality is personal
  • We: and that another person
  • We: well, that basically
  • We: what people believe to be right and wrong
  • We: is jsut personal opinion
  • We: so, in that case
  • We: let's say i have the opinion that commiting some crime is okay and good
  • They: ok
  • We: under your system, it's my personal belief
  • We: and punishing me for it isn't allowed
  • They: why is it not allowed
  • We: because morality is a personal issue
  • We: it's all just personal opinion
  • We: so the judge has no right to decide if my action was right or wrong
  • They: well yeah
  • They: ok i see
  • They: but we as a society have decided whats right and wrong
  • We: i thought u said it was personal opinion
  • We: so now it's group opinion?
  • They: it is
  • We: no,
  • They: a group compromise
  • We: you said as a society we decided
  • We: so which is it
  • We: oh
  • We: so it's based on group consensus
  • We: ?
  • We: so whatever society agrees is right or wrong, that's what's right or wrong
  • We: is that what you're saying?
  • They: well no
  • They: but we accept it
  • They: or we fight to change it
  • We: the issue isn't what's accepted or rejected
  • We: we're talking about how to determine if things are right or wrong
  • We: first you said it was consequence, u rejected that
  • We: now you say it's personal opinion, u rejected that
  • We: now you're saying it's group opinion
  • They: well its all of them
  • We: but i just showed you
  • They: each one applies to something else
  • We: the first two options can't be right
  • We: i showed you examples that prove those beliefs false
  • They: but they can be right for something specific
  • We: so, every moral action
  • We: has a differnet way to determine if it's moral or not
  • We: ?
  • They: i guess somewhat like that
  • They: like killing a person
  • We: so what happens
  • They: i mean everyone knows thats wrong or else they are messed up in the head
  • We: if i believe A is right
  • We: and you believe A is wrong
  • We: how do we know which is correct
  • We: what criteria do we use?
  • They: pros and cons
  • We: group opinion, personal opinion, consequences
  • We: so now you're saying consequences again
  • We: do you not see how you're just running in circles?
  • We: that you have no well defined moral theory
  • They: well taking all criteria into consideration
  • We: you're just using criteria as a word for consequences
  • They: well group opinion is criteria
  • They: what the majority of people believe in
  • We: do you think gay people getting married is moral
  • They: actually i believe this whole topic is irrelevant
  • We: irrelevant to what
  • We: it's relevant because your moral theory is how you make decisions
  • We: if there was ever something relevant, this is it
  • They: because moral theory cannont be defined to perfection
  • They: so it is irrelevant
  • We: so, if somethign can't be defined to perfection, it's irrelevant
  • We: that's your belief?
  • They: ha no
  • We: well then why did you say that
  • They: i dont know
  • They: youve taken me in circles and im losing my train of thought
  • We: i haven't taken you anywhere
  • We: lol
  • We: the reason you're going in circles
  • We: is because you dont' have a moral theory
  • We: but you state things as if you do
  • We: but on examination it crumbles
  • They: i have morals
  • They: i dont have a moral theory
  • We: that's impossible
  • We: a moral theory
  • We: is how you arrive at morals
  • We: you can't have moral principles without having a method of establishing them
  • We: some method
  • They: ok true
  • They: well i use different methods each time i come to a moral belief
  • We: lol
  • We: i see
  • We: so really it reduces your moral decisions to something like "whatever works best in that situation"
  • They: yeah that sounds right
  • We: hard to see how that's moral
  • They: well it works better when you say specific examples
  • We: so you think that's okay for everyone to just use different criteria for each decision
  • We: i gave you specific examples and you weren't able to resopnd to them effectively
  • We: what if my crieteria changed day to day, and one day i decided that you must die
  • We: surely that's not okay
  • We: decisions need to be based on sound reasoning that holds true in all situations and circumstances
  • They: eh..see too much hypothetical thinking
  • They: ok you decided i must die
  • They: pros and cons
  • We: do you really believe
  • We: that it woudl be okay for me to kill you
  • We: if i established more pros than cons
  • We: ?
  • We: is that what you really believe
  • We: i think if you're honest you believe that's wrong
  • They: i think if you came up with more pros than cons..your not mentally right
  • We: the fact is that you believe it's wrong
  • We: but you just said "pros and cons" because you're trying to prop up a bad moral theory based on consequence
  • We: i suspect your true belief
  • We: is that murder is wrong
  • We: the problem is that you can't explain why it's wrong
  • We: which raises the question, can you explain why any action is wrong or right, which brings us back to lying
  • They: you dont have to explain is wrong
  • We: sure you do
  • We: if you can't explain a belief
  • We: then you shoudlnt' have the belief
  • We: or do you think it's fine for peopel to believe things without a reason
  • We: i'm pretty sure you also don't believe that
  • They: i guess not
  • We: because you don't agree with people who hate gay people for no reason
  • We: or black people for no reason, etc
  • We: the fact is, we are offended by people with beliefs that are unreasonable
  • We: such as racists or people who commit hate crimes
  • They: yeah
  • We: and we try to argue why they are wrong bygiving reasons
  • They: they can believe whatever they want though
  • We: * sigh *
  • We: ok
  • They: why cant they
  • We: lol
  • They: i never liked philosophy
  • We: ok
  • They: im just logical person
  • We: you're a logical person?
  • They: yeah thats what i ment
  • We: hmm
  • We: you think you are logical?
  • They: yeah
  • We: lol
  • They: i think i am
  • We: ok


Tuesday, August 09, 2005

An Essay, sort of...

Let me first say this is more of an essay and not truly intended to make an analytical claim to truth or posit a philosophically cogent argument. Pretty odd that I feel the need to say that isn't it? I just want to clearly define which posts are rantings and which are to be taken with more gravity.

People

I believe most people are failures at communication. They cannot effectively convey what they are thinking. I thought this weakness decreased with age as experience heaped upon experience gradually toughened their resolve and equipped them with more knowledge, better insight, and deeper wisdom with which to relate to their fellow man. I'm afraid that assumption was wrong.

Perhaps I live in an area that is atypical. Maybe somewhere there are leagues of people who answer questions honestly and aren't afraid to expose emotional and intellectual weaknesses.

Or perhaps that place is here but in an echelon of people I have yet to encounter. Well, not echelon.... Not that they are higher, but different. Perhaps a group of people who share my interest in intellectual stimulation.

I know that can be found in colleges and universities. What about after? Do you have to become a lawyer or doctor, physicist or astronomer, theologian or professor to ensure that you are surrounded by peers who also crave stimulation?

What about teachers - Elementary, and Middle School, and High School? Wouldn't you think they would be interested in learning? I know some are... but can we say most?

When a person makes a promise, why do they later think it's okay that they "changed their mind." You can't change your mind on a promise. A promise suggests "I will do it unless circumstances prevent me from doing so." Circumstances are not whims of the emotive mind.

When you ask someone, "Why do you believe that?" why are they unable to give you an answer. How can they believe something if they don't know why they believe it? Isn't it natural to question why you believe something, to wonder if it's right, to explore if there is a better option?

To the people who don't question such things... How? How is that possible? Are you stupid? If you are too stupid to think about such things, do you know you're stupid? What is it like to be dumb? What's it like to not crave intellectual stimulation?

I don't understand.

And it makes me sad.

Well, not sad, but depressed. That's the truth of it - it depresses me. If I say to someone, "Hey look I wonder why they put that fire hydrant there instead of on the corner where it's easier to get to?" and they just look at me blankly or say "I dunno," What do I do?

What am I am supposed to do?

And furthermore, the fact is I don't really want to talk to people who don't wonder about fire hydrants, or don't ponder the physics of the cosmos, or haven't ever struggled with issues of ethics and morality.

I can't expect everyone to share my interests, and I don't. For example, I have no interest in pro sports. I don't care who is in the Superbowl.

But isn't there a distinct difference in an interest in sports and an interest in making progress intellectually? Hmm... That's a weak question. Let me be more clear...

Some people like bowling, others like racing, some like to knit, or hike, or build model airplanes. Those seem like interesting and perhaps even meaningful pursuits. They are both entertaining and challenging, insightful at times...  But questions like "Is there a God, and if there is, how can I prove such?" or, "Is a fetus a person?" - aren't those questions something entirely different than knitting or bowling?

Or even more perplexing is people who do think about things like fetuses and gods and arrive at a conclusion but don't know how they reached that conclusion. What if the person says "Yes there is a God... because I believe it... Well that's just what I believe," or, "Abortion is wrong... It's a personal issue.... Well I think that's what's true and that's what I believe."

Where do you go from there? How can they know those things to be correct without knowing the mechanism by which to evaluate correctness?

I don't understand.

Is it just a matter of intellectual prowess? If not, then is it a matter of choosing whether to care or not? How can you choose to not care if abortion is wrong or right. I can understand not being interested really.. not wanting to focus a large amount of time on it... but not caring at all?

Hmmm.


Tuesday, August 02, 2005

I have a favor to ask of you!

Now that I have my site back and running, along with a new site devoted to Dog, I'd like to ask people to spread the word about the AskDog xanga. Again, the link is: http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=AskDog

I am hoping that some of you will place a post on your xanga about AskDog with the link and some brief words about the site.

Right now I'm focused on generating interest Dog's site before I begin regularly updating this one.

Thanks so much for your help! :)

Oh, and Dog thanks you too.


Monday, August 01, 2005

Most of my posts are fairly intelligent as I like to avoid ad hominem attacks....

But for this I'll make an exception.

I just watched a rerun of "My Sweet Sixteen" on MTV and GAG! What stupid, stupid bitches. I want to trip them down the stairs. I'm glad I'm not the type of person that could do that, BUT IF I WERE I'd want them to end up horribly disfigured and live a life of pain and sadness.

The show features different teens turning 16, their birthday parties, all the drama, etc. This particular episode was focused on two absolutely spoiled teen bitches that complained about things like "not having their Gucci shoes" and "not being able to spend $500,000 for their live entertainment."

I am almost at a loss for words. People like that anger me to a point of just...

I honestly just can't even form a thought right now.

If you encounter stuck up bitches like that, get in their face. Tell them that their priorities are wrong. Ask them if they ever considered the fact they have food and water while thousands starve.

Gucci shoes . . .

Fuck.


Sunday, July 31, 2005

Dog now has his very own site devoted exclusively to his advice column!

Go visit Ask Dog !If you can't access it through the link, here is the URL: http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=AskDog 



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